Notice about stuff that poorfags are gonna cry about.

From now on everything will be in 10-bit, unless there’s outstanding circumstances (i.e. we couldn’t get a ts, it’s already been delayed forever and the only available raw is 8-bit). If you wanna cry about your computer not being good enough to play it, then do it somewhere else (especially seeing as we’re at the stage in technology of $500 phones being capable of 1080p playback).

If you download a 10-bit release and the colours aren’t right, uninstall whatever player and codecs you’re using and install the latest CCCP (and CoreAVC if you need it) or Mplayer2, then follow any of the numerous guides available online (hint: use google, there are over 75 million results for “10-bit playback guide”).

Finally, we will not be labelling anything specifically as 10-bit or Hi10P (against all my warnings, as I know how retarded some leechers can be). Only NEW series will be released in 10-bit. That is, Mayo Chiki, UtaPri, Nura and the Freezing/Madoka/Azazel BDs will all still be released in 8-bit. Any new series released after this post will be in 10-bit, so don’t ask. And no, we will not be doing a dual release of 8-bit and 10-bit encodes.

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129 Responses to Notice about stuff that poorfags are gonna cry about.

  1. Hassy says:

    tbh I dont know where is the fucking problem since 10bit player also plays 8bit , WHYNOT use the latest player then anyway.
    if u nubfags cant run a fucking anime I have a tip for u BUY A NEW PC or go search for some re-encodes(which dl speed is probably as slow as ur ancient machine).

    is what u had to add in this post.
    kthxbye.

  2. steve says:

    my turn to cry then I like to convert my animu for my various devices to play when traveling to work etc etc nothing can convert 10bit to 8bit properly. It either converts the video to a green screen video file or a pixelated mess. I can play it just fine on my PC the only problem is I don’t want to watch it on my PC. Why don’t you guys make one 8bit encode and one 10bit

    • AsuraE says:

      For starters, >>And no, we will not be doing a dual release of 8-bit and 10-bit encodes.

      I’ll do a test encode from 10-bit to 8-bit to see if what you’re going on about is actually true or if you’ve just screwed up getting 10-bit working on your system.

      • AsuraE says:

        Encoding from 10-bit to 8-bit works perfectly fine. Just use either DirectShowSource or DSS2 to load the source and make sure you’ve got 10-bit playback working and it’ll encode fine.

        If you have no idea what I’m talking about with DirectShowSource and DSS2 then just download any of the re-encodes that are bound to be made.

        • steve says:

          I tried DirectShowSource through super and it created a green screen file, I can’t stand using super anyways. Does anyone know a GUI converter that is using the DirectShowSource or DSS2 and can convert 10bit to 8bit? Surely some converters updated for 10bit, so far i have found most are planning to just haven’t done it yet.

          • AsuraE says:

            I have no idea what the hell super is, but the problem is probably that you are trying to use a gui converter, which probably hasn’t been updated to decode 10-bit properly.

            What you should do is load the avss.dll plugin from your CCCP\Filters\Haali folder and use DSS2. If you absolutely need to use a GUI (even though a bat file would be easier), try MeGUI and manually replace it’s x264.exe with the latest one.

            A final note, you should try reinstalling CCCP and avisynth. When I tried this on my laptop (which was not setup for 10-bit playback) I didn’t get a green screen, but rather a video with a purplish tinge and screwed gradients.

    • osewaninaru says:

      Try a handbrake nightly from there:
      https://build.handbrake.fr/

      It doesn’t rely on any external filters and can burn-in ASS subtitles with fonts/styles etc., all in a single step to mp4 or mkv.

  3. Zet says:

    Doesn’t CCCP dither everything down to 8bit anyway?

    • AsuraE says:

      I honestly can’t remember, there was way too much reading on the technical stuff. But in the test encodes I’ve done it’s taken ~100-200MB on average off of 1080p encodes while still keeping the same quality, so regardless of what’s going on it’s worth using.

      Edit: So I read through everything again and if you’re in the 99.9999% of people who does not have a 10-bit or higher monitor then yes, it does dither it down to 8-bit. But the effect is comparable to a 720p vs 1080p on a 720p screen, unless the 720p is lossless (which these encodes never are), the 1080p will look better.

  4. Another Unhappy Consumer says:

    Really, not everyone likes watching TV on their computers. I (oddly enough) prefer to watch TV on my TV (standalone player). I use my computer for seeding and leeching. If you can suggest a conversion program to turn 10bit to something universally compatible, you shall not hear from the likes of me again. (I’m being polite folks, don’t be assholes in your responses).

    • AsuraE says:

      Not meaning to sound like an asshole, but most of our encodes are level 5.1 anyway, which breaks compatibility with most standalone players.

      Anyways, you have three choices. 1) You could try MeGUI to re-encode from 10bit to 8-bit (although this will probably make the video look like shit and be extremely annoying to get working right). 2) There are bound to be people who will do 8-bit re-encodes (like how people do avi re-encodes now), so you could download one of them (It’ll still probably look like shit) or 3) You can hook your computer up to your TV and watch it like that.

      I suggest going for option 3, mainly because it’s what I do ;)

    • Auro says:

      You’re probably stuck either re-encoding (AshuraE describes how above in response to steve) or waiting for someone to re-encode it for you (usually somewhere like Nyaatorrents).

      Alternatively, if your TV and video card can be hooked together you could use your computer to play the files on your TV. If you have a current generation console you may (haven’t tried) also be able to stream playback to the console with something like the PS3 media server software.

      There may be someone out there with more/better options (might try Google first), but that’s my two cents

  5. bautrey says:

    Sounds completely reasonable to me

  6. Dawezy says:

    Right on!

    ( ゜∀゜)人(゜∀゜ )

    I’m always down for higher quality stuff.

  7. Rai says:

    Finally, Screw the bitches who cant even afford a decent screen that’s pure love i love you guys =D

    Finally the quality standard went up which is for better now we can finally raise the standard i hope more quality near the future! PEACE !

  8. Ido013 says:

    Wtf you’re still telling them to use CCCP? Use K-Lite instead. That’s a much more decent codecs pack.

    • qaz says:

      K-Lite is “simple solution for complete idiots”, I remember well how much problems it caused. For playback you don’t need codecpacks. Manual install of FFDshow+Haali splitter or just LAV Filters will always do better job.

      • Ido013 says:

        I agree that it’s made for idiots for sure but I haven’t had any problems related to it so I suppose it depends on what set-up or use you have for your computer…
        You’re also right on the part for people who are only looking for playback, but if you really want to have playback for anything it becomes a tedious exercise.

        In my case I need them for video editing so my needs are slightly unrelated.

    • AsuraE says:

      K-lite is full of so much unnecessary crap it’s not funny. Both do the same job, except CCCP is more widely used and I can almost guarantee that the first thing anyone will tell you if you need to troubleshoot a problem is “Uninstall whatever you’re using and install the latest CCCP.”

      • Ido013 says:

        I had far more problems with playback using CCCP plus K-lite is actually well updated. It might be different from what I had back a few years but CCCP never did a great job at updating their stuff. Even worst, VLC was starting to be more interesting than CCCP a lot of the time, and you know that’s a bad sign..

        • AsuraE says:

          I’ll agree that VLC is more interesting than any other codec pack/player. It’s really interesting in that it can’t handle video or subs properly.

          If you’ve had problems with CCCP it’d be because of something you’ve done yourself (conflicting codec packs etc). And on the note of CCCP never being updated, well, that’s just because it actually works. It only needs updating when there’s a big change, like the move to 10-bit that’s happening now.

  9. kuler says:

    mac only as far as i can tell.
    anyone using mplayer osx extended is in luck with 10bit playback.
    some guy wrote a binary for it, just stick the file in the app package container.
    http://www.megaupload.com/?d=QNBWURWR

  10. p24601 says:

    I installed the MadVR filter using this guide:
    http://haruhichan.com/wpblog/?p=205

    For me, works better then CCCP.

  11. Meelkor says:

    At least some group using modern codecs ^_^ thank ya!

  12. Mango says:

    AHHH!!!!!!!!! suck my dick

    This sucks
    this better be as good as when h264 came out

    • Noodle says:

      taking a large chunk of space off your HDD, and also since the file is smaller it will download quicker.

      win/win/win, all the way.

  13. Keiichi says:

    hahaha about time you guys got on the bandwagon 10-bit rocks

  14. アノン says:

    Q_Q higher quality w/ smaller files

    ^ tears of joy… hope you don’t mind that kind of crying :D

  15. How to play 10-bit: Guide says:

    1. Download the latest CCCP.
    2. Uninstall all other codec packs.
    3. Make a full install of CCCP, this includes MPC-HC.
    4. Play file with MPC-HC.

  16. abit says:

    >>(especially seeing as we’re at the stage in technology of $500 phones being capable of 1080p playback)

    Expect those $500 phones that can do 1080p playback can’t play back most 1080p anime encodes since encoders usually like to encode to non-BD spec.

    Just throwing it out there. But, those $500 phones might be able to playback 10-bit 720p videos using MX Video Player on an Android device (iphone people…I don’t know).

    • AsuraE says:

      My phone cost $500 and plays almost all the 1080p BD encodes I’ve thrown at it, including my own (which sure as hell don’t follow BD specs).

      And I wouldn’t expect phones to be 10-bit compatible until maybe VLC on android comes out, but then you’d be using VLC so it doesn’t look good.

      • abit says:

        Really? Which phone do you have? Which video player do you use? I have tried to play a 1080p high-profile L5.0, ref frames=8 with AAC audio MP4 file on many high-end phones and they all fail to play it back properly. A BD spec encoded video plays perfectly, though.

        Supposedly, the iPhone4/iPad can playback my sample file with XBMC, but that interface is a pain on a small screen.

        I mentioned 10-bit because MX Video Player is able to decode 10-bit videos in software mode (Plays terribly on my old phone, but there is no artifacts or crap like that. So, that’s why I mentioned higher-end phones might be able to play back 720p 10-bit videos using that program).

        • AsuraE says:

          Galaxy S2 ftw

          • abit says:

            Weird. I had issues with the only Galaxy S2 out in the market in the US (Epic 4G Touch on Sprint) which runs the same Exynos chip the international version does.

            Using stock video player, MX Video Player and DicePlayer Trial (which says it should play back up to L5.1 on the Galaxy S2) – couldn’t get my sample MP4 file and also the Bakemonogatari ED1 from Coalgirls (non 10-bit version) working properly on it.

            I’ll give it another try the next time I can play around with a Galaxy S2 phone.

          • AsuraE says:

            I’m thinking the problem is that you tried it with Coalgirl’s Bakemonogatari. The excess bitrate probably went over the phone’s limit. (Same thing happens when I try some extremely retarded encodes, i.e. their 1080p Gosick)

          • abit says:

            I see. I figured if a portable device can playback a Coalgirls release, it should be able to playback anything.

            So, what’s the max ref frames and bitrate for encoded 1080p files that is playable on a Galaxy S2?

            Thanks! =)

          • AsuraE says:

            No idea on the max, but the highest I’ve tested (that I know of) is 10 ref with a bitrate of ~5500

  17. StubbsiBoy says:

    A guide to 10Bit for the less tech savvy of you:
    1. Download both SMPlayer and mplayer2 (not 1, 2).
    2. Install SMPlayer like you normally would. Take note that this is just so mplayer2 has an interface.
    3. Put mplayer2 wherever you desire.
    4. Open SMPlayer and go to preferences.
    5. You should notice an option in general named ‘mplayer Executable’.
    6. Change the location of the executable (exe) to the mplayer2 exe.
    Congratulations! You can now play 10bit using SMPlayer.

    Trust me on this one. I unknowingly downloaded Coalgirls’ 10bit version of Yuru Yuri and had to learn how to play it.

  18. JohnVaughan says:

    So, I’ve spend about 10 hours trying to get my machine to play 10bit. I think out of everyone on the internet I’ve drawn the shortest straw of all. It seems if you’re running a mac (I know, right? So lame.) on 10.5.8 you either have to wait it out or buy new software. Any suggestions or have I hit the nail on the head?

    • AsuraE says:

      You can’t run mplayer2?

      • JohnVaughan says:

        Nope, just crashes when I try to run a 10bit video on it saying, “sh: /Volumes/mplayer2: No such file or directory.” From what I can tell all the osx releases so far have been 10.6 so that may be the problem. If I’m doin’ something wrong I blame it on my own crippling tech illiteracy.

        • AsuraE says:

          I have no idea about macs, but if you’re really desperate you might want to try a nightly vlc build. You’re already on a mac anyway, so it’s not like vlc could make anything worse.

          • JohnVaughan says:

            That one is 10.6 as well so it crashes on opening. Went to the developer’s blog too to see when it would be officially released on older os’s, but no word from him since June or July. Like I said, shortest straw on the internet. Oh well, at least now I have a reason to buy new software. Thanks for your help and take it easy!

  19. Maceart says:

    You say $500 phones have 1080p playback, but none of them can play WhyNot releases… Hypocrites.

    • AsuraE says:

      >>My phone cost $500 and plays almost all the 1080p BD encodes I’ve thrown at it, including my own (which sure as hell don’t follow BD specs).

      Read the comments before being an idiot next time.

  20. hikaru says:

    A good question is what is the source, 99% of blu-ray and dvd sources are still 8-bit and even all the True-HD files i have (1080p no upscaling) are encoded in 8bit. Besides using High 10 Profile (Hi10P) goes beyond typical mainstream consumer product capabilities where High Profile (HiP) is the official adopted profile for blu-ray formats. Most standard HD encodes are for 1280x 720 at 23.976-p. The use of 10 bit encode is used when encoding video at 1920×1080 at 23.976-p or higher. Since H.264/MPEG-4 AVC is taxing on PC’s a minium recommended system is no less then a quad-core system or the latest sandy bridge system as it already has full HD encoding/decodeing abilites. More or less i am stating that the use of 10 bit is pointless due to sources.

    • AsuraE says:

      You’re wrong and I cbf to explain it. Look up the pdfs on x264.nl explaining 10-bit and how it works and stop making me read pointless blocks of text.

  21. hikaru says:

    I completely agree with the document(s) if your source file was the true source. If you did real research at the transsmission rates and encodes of the cable/SAT provider will you see that are taking a True source at high output and trasmitting it to the consumer equipment which is not receving a true source but a scaled down version which is show. I can take my camera and film 30 mins of video (being that it is a true source) and encode it with H.264/MPEG-4 AVC High 10 Profile and have close to source and small file. The comparisons in the documents are refering to MPEG-2 4:2:2 Profile. To truely take advantage of High10 better have same or higer profile source.

  22. kibnbits says:

    Sorry but this 10-bit thing is a pain. And don’t give me BS line about my computer isn’t good enough, it is. Yes it’s a Mac so not a lot of choice in players. MPlayer OSX Extended and it’s uptodate and yeah these 10-bit files play but they look like SHIT. Blocking, not rendering, etc.

    Why is it so important to use 10-bit? HDs are hardly tiny these days (so the smaller file yet better quality argument isn’t a good enough reason). I definitely see no improved quality. Let’s use it because it’s there? It might be new, but it’s not better.

    Hai, hai, boo-hoo me.

    • AsuraE says:

      If you know what you’re looking at then 10-bit is a clear improvement over 8-bit (once you get into the 1080p BD rip range it’s even easier to see). Also, you say your computer is good enough but you don’t list any actual specs. You also don’t list what player you’re using.

      Also, from memory you have mplayer, mplayer2 and vlc that will play 10-bit on macs.

  23. hikaru says:

    kibnbits – I am assuming you are using v14 of the player on OOSX 10.5 or higer. You may need to use command line to install and updated x264 codec for the player. http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/HTML/en/codec-installation.html#x264

    AsuraE – encode 10-bit when i have a file i store on my server which i use it to stream files of my works to other people since H.264/MPEG-4 AVC High 10 Profile is great for bandwidth reason (typically labled as THD – True HD 30 fps). However i do know that i need to provide High Profile for some users who may need it. (typcially used for 1080p 24/30 fps or 720p 30 fps).

    • AsuraE says:

      But have you specifically done any encodes going from 8-bit to 10-bit? Because out of ~95% of the test encodes I’ve run, the 10-bit encode has come out at either a smaller filesize (generally >5%, averaging ~10-15%) compared to the 8-bit, or they had a considerable increase in quality (to the point where banding is almost non existent).

  24. abit says:

    AsuraE –

    Figured making a new reply is better than creating the giant staircase with the other thread.

    Thank you for giving me some info regarding video playback on the Galaxy S2. I’ll definitely need to make some new saner sample files to test such devices out.

    • AsuraE says:

      I’m still testing out players as well so let me know if you find anything. So far I haven’t found anything that will handle imbedded subs properly (MX Video Player comes close but it also extends and adds fade out to all lines). Also, it seems that no players like HorribleSubs video as the audio unsyncs every few minutes.

      • abit says:

        For any Android based device that can playback MKV natively, I find that mvideoplayer is the best video player on the market. MX Video Player is great for devices that don’t have native MKV playback and just a great all around player. Some people really like Diceplayer due to it’s hardware acceleration, but it doesn’t render .ass/.ssa subs (it has extract and then convert them to .srt). Everything else is just crap or based off of the same ffmpeg implementation.

        The issue with all these players is that they don’t render .ass/.ssa subs properly besides basic rendering (it’s terrible for scenes with lots of signs, but that usually doesn’t bother me when I’m watching something on the go). I have to yet to run across the problem you mentioned with MX Video Player, though.

        Speaking of which, does your Galaxy S2 with MX playback sane 720p 10-bit encodes? I know my HTC Flyer with a 1.5Ghz single-core CPU can sort of play UTW’s 10-bit Fate/Zero encode, but then audio desyncs and then drops after a few minutes. Still impressive though. I assume since the Galaxy S2 is dual-core and MX Video Player supposedly is multi-threaded it might playback 10-bit files better…unless it’s some crazy Coalgirls encode. harhar.

        Interesting problem regarding HorribleSubs. I assume the encodes from them are somewhat sane. I’ll check it out tonight.

        • AsuraE says:

          I actually tested out Fate/Zero yesterday on my way home and it seems to play almost perfectly (except in really high bitrate scenes, like the OP in general). On a side note, it handles Thora’s Fate/Zero extremely well (even with it’s insanely high bitrate).

          And yeah, horriblesubs is weird because they should be the some of the least intensive 720p encodes around.

          • mbamg says:

            Lucky you. Audio/video sync was totally off during playback of Fate/Zero using MX Player on my Optimus 2x (and the video stopped by itself at some point). I guess it’s because mkv isn’t natively supported by my phone and thus there’s no hardware acceleration. Should I give Diceplayer a try?

          • abit says:

            The problem is that the Tegra 2 in the Optimus 2X is not very good for video playback, especially stuff encoded in high-profile.

            The Tegra 2 can only HW accelerate baseline and main profile h.264. I think even Diceplayer is not going to help.

          • abit says:

            So, that is good confirmation that a powerful enough phone can do 10-bit playback in software unless the encode is retarded.

            Also, Thora Fate/Zero? I thought Thora only does BD stuff. Do you mean their FSN encodes? I do know that some of their encodes are DXVA/HW acceleration compatible so I’m not surprised the Galaxy S2 had no problems playing it back (I wouldn’t be surprised if the ref frame is around 4 or so).

          • AsuraE says:

            God dammit I did it again. Yeah, I meant Fate/stay, but the main reason I brought it up was because those encodes had an extremely large bitrate for what would be considered normal 720p.

            And I wouldn’t say that phones are at the point where they can playback 10-bit just yet. Sure, MX will play 10-bit, but for the most part it’s extremely jittery.

          • abit says:

            Right, they’re not at the point of playing back 10-bit 100%, but I like the fact that if the encode is sane (no ref frames = 16), something along the lines of the Galaxy S2 can sort of play them (75% there? Maybe a little more?) back okay in pure software decoding mode is still impressive since 10-bit is more demanding.

            I had no clue MX could actually properly decode 10-bit h.264 files until I ran across a post on some forum mentioning it so I decided to try it out. I think the developer is further tweaking the program for better decoding performance.

          • AsuraE says:

            I’d say it’s more around the 40-60% mark overall (in terms of optimization, it’d be somewhere ~5-10%, mainly because on a PC 10-bit 720p requires ~75% of the CPU power as 8-bit 1080p). On another note, UTW’s fate/zero was encoded at 9 ref, so perhaps a pseudo blu-ray comatiable 10-bit encode would have smoother playback.

          • abit says:

            9 ref for 720p is within the L4.1 spec though (for Blu-Ray compliance I think you need like 6?). So, lower ref frames should help. Eh…I’ll wait for more powerful dual-core phones or quad-core next year before really trying to playback 10-bit TV encodes. At least I know there is a program for Android that can decode and that’s the most important part.

            I keep forgetting this. I played back ~10min of Ika Musume S2 from Horriblesubs on my tablet and I had no problems with the video or audio. I don’t know why your Galaxy S2 would have problems.

  25. hikaru says:

    I have done 8 to 10 encoding when working with older videos case by case if I myself made it and/or customer has provided. While using 10 bit does give you smaller files when working with around 600 mb or larger files and depending on your source banding may and may not be existant. But is generally accounted for is the user base of the files produced. As i mention i provide said videos on my server, I have found that average consumer PC/MAC is capabile of processing H.264/MPEG-4 10 High Profile (HiP) and anything higher is supported however not mainstream and therefore is rarely used except for Professionals. Even now VC-1 (WMA/WMV) is more common even thou 264 is more robust which it is why it is highy used by SAT providers to take advantage lower bandwidth usage and not it’s higher video quaity. Take Apples QuickTime, even thou version 10 supports H.264/MPEG-4 sadly Apple iTunes and Apple TV still use the older version 7 engine which have limited H.264/MPEG-4 support.

    • AsuraE says:

      What you’ve done there is go from your original argument that “the use of 10 bit is pointless due to sources” and to saying “using 10 bit does give you smaller files”.

  26. スコール・レオンハート says:

    10bit works to me cuz i use DivX+ HD,FFDshow and Matroska Pack. Thanks to Windows XP yeah!!!

  27. hikaru says:

    You aparrently do not understanding the bases of encodeing. The source being encoded higher then when what you are using. Theirfore encoding the source to High 10 does indeed keep the high video output and reduces the file as i have pointed out but only if the source files was a hugh. Your argument is based on on paper that says use this it makes smaller files and better video. But if you looked deeper you should have understood that it is talking about taking a source encoded file(s) and reencoding it to the High 10 profile which interns makes a higher grade video and the same size of High profile. Now if the souce file is already below High 10 profile or even High profile it COULD save you around 10-40 megs of space with some video improvement however if the source file is not re-coded properly other people who see the re-encode may see spoting, pixelation, hazing and degraded playback. Then again if the encoder themselves are not experianced or knowledgeable enough with encoding High 10 then the disavantages is sub-par video payback and/or incompatible payback. Just so you are aware of my experiances and work, my source videos are orginially 1080/60p 28Mbps. I bet any software you have will not process these codes.

    • AsuraE says:

      1) Please re-read your stuff before posting – the English is so appalling that I don’t even know what you’re trying to say in your 3rd and 4th sentences.
      2) My argument is based on a round of roughly 20-30 comparison encodes between 8-bit and 10-bit.
      3) As a result of those encodes, I have seen that at the same bitrates 10-bit has considerably reduced the amount of banding in the final encode. Conversely, to achieve the same level of visual quality as the 8-bit encode, the 10-bit encode requires less bitrate than the 8-bit.
      4) The rest of your argument is based on me knowing nothing about encoding in 10-bit, which is partially true as 10-bit encoding has only just been introduced. However, do you really think that I haven’t played around with the settings before beginning to release in 10-bit? Do you really think that I’m that stupid?
      5) You bet any software I have won’t process those videos? So you’re saying that x264 + avisynth isn’t enough? Then please, share with me your magical software that allows you to handle such encoding.
      6) None of what you said has anything to do with the fact that you started off saying one thing then contradicted yourself later on.
      7) When/if you reply, make sure it’s in English, not Engrish.

  28. hikaru says:

    IT does make since, unfortunately your vocabulary is the same as your knowledge of the MPEG-4 H264/AVC specifications – LIMITED. Here is a link for some recommended reading.

    http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=154533

    • AsuraE says:

      >>The source being encoded higher then when what you are using. Theirfore encoding the source to High 10 does indeed keep the high video output and reduces the file as i have pointed out but only if the source files was a hugh.

      I’m a native English speaker, and that right there is so broken that even primary schoolers could write better.

      Also, care to read what that big, red and bold line at the start of the thread you linked says? If you can’t, what it says is “NOTE: This is discussion about settings that are for creating 100% compliant Blu-Ray structures, not for encoding from Blu-Ray sources to matroska/mp4 or other media.”

  29. Richfag says:

    My PC can play 10-bit animes, but I’ll complain anyway just because I can.

    Do 8-bit encodes.

    • Quattro says:

      You’re free to complain all you’d like. Until you’re blue in the face even~

      You seem to be forgetting that we are still doing 8-bit encodes, just not for new projects.

  30. can says:

    All 10 bit encoding does is break media player rendering-I’m talking about devices such as the Popcorn Hour A210, Boxee Box, etc. Are you gonna say fansub viewers don’t use them? “Go watch it on your computor”-bullshit-WHY do you think I have a media player? Because it uses way less power than an htpc, is cheaper-lot’s of other advantages-now all of us who have one of these devices have been royally buttfucked.

    • AsuraE says:

      People cried about that shit when h264 replaced xvid as well and if we had listened to them then we’d still be using xvid today. Now, believe or not, the people who make those devices aren’t about to go and take a risk like adopting a brand new standard when barely anyone is using it yet. In fact, it was only around the same time that the regular TV release scene started encoding in HD h264 that those manufacturers began making h264 media players standard.

      However, if you were smart you wouldn’t buy any of these. Instead you would’ve just used your existing computer, hooked it up to your TV and watched your precious Chinese cartoons like that.

      • abit says:

        While that arguement was sound for xvid to h.264, I think it applies less here. H.264 became an adopted mainstream standard for video so it made sense for stuff to support it. 10-bit encodes is more estoteric and its not mainstream since blu-ray discs don’t support it and i doubt will unless older players can decode 10-bit files.

        Anoher good example is High profile L5.1 is part of the h.264 spec and there are media players that do not support that level.

        We’ll probably see 10-bit hardware support first on the next gen video cards, but stand alone mediaplayers maybe in a few years if sigma or other settop box chip makers want to put that support in.

        People should know nowadays that anime encoders are always on or on the look out for he bleeding edge.

        • AsuraE says:

          Pretty much. Although I still wanna know what makes a person go out and spend hundreds of dollars on one of these media players when they could just hook up their computer to their TV and have flawless playback.

          • abit says:

            Why? Marketing, ease of use, plays a wide variety of formats, works well in a living room environment, cheap (you can get a decent one for like $99) and there might be some issue connecting a computer to the TV (the biggest issue is if your computer is far away from the TV). But, they only support the mainstream stuff and older stuff that’s easy to support – but most consumers just match what it can play to what they have as most don’t really know about video codecs and containers.

            The biggest segment that 10-bit encodes cripple are people who bought small low powered HTPCs that do video via GPU acceleration (unless somehow 10-bit vids can be added via driver updates). Those type of computers were essentially marketed as HTPC since they were small, have low power consumption and heat dissipation (two things that matter for a HTPC) and cheap. You can argue that one shouldn’t have bought such a crappy HTPC, but that’s where the market was going towards – doing more and more stuff on the GPU. 720p encodes is probably no problem, but 1080p is where the problem lies (again, you can argue that people with such systems should only get the 720p version).

            Just trying to be objective here.

  31. AsuraE says:

    I can see where you’re coming from with the low end HTPC thing and yeah, that kinda sucks. But in the end there will be other groups that will reencode our releases to the old standard 8-bit 720p for these people.

    What all the complainers in this thread are basically saying is that we shouldn’t progress with new technology because they are unable to use it, which to me is like saying that the world shouldn’t have computers at all because there’s a lot of poor people in Africa who can’t afford to buy one.

    On another note, I wonder if it would be possible to set up some sort of remote desktop connection that would be fast enough to allow a normal desktop computer to play a movie and have it viewed via remote desktop on one of those weak HTPCs. It should be possible, but unfortunately my computers networking speed is like those fat kids at school – extremely slow, annoying and time consuming, so i can’t test it.

    • abit says:

      Low end HTPC users are screwed if they are using something with a really old Atom chip. I think the newer ones along with the AMD Fusion stuff should be able to software decode 10-bit 720p TV rips.

      I never fully understood the complaints regarding moving to 10-bit TV rips since most computers in the last 4 years should be able to software decode them (and, finally, more stuff support 10-bit decoding, too). Then again, you’re right that there are groups out there who do re-encodes for the whiners out there.

      Your idea of remote desktop is an intriguing one if there isn’t much lag involved. Never thought about that.

  32. hikaru says:

    “AsuraE – On another note, I wonder if it would be possible to set up some sort of remote desktop connection that would be fast enough to allow a normal desktop computer to play a movie and have it viewed via remote desktop on one of those weak HTPCs. It should be possible, but unfortunately my computers networking speed is like those fat kids at school – extremely slow, annoying and time consuming, so i can’t test it.”

    The upcoming standard to implement that is called DLNA, at present you must have a DLNA compliant device, TV and PC. Windows 7 is already compliant so you just need the device/TV. The files that are going to play the file in question must have the hardware/software specs to view it or the file as to be encoded in lowest specification based on what devices you have.

    • abit says:

      That’s not what AsuraE was talking about.

      His idea is if you have a low-end HTPC that needs GPU acceleration for video playback, and, your network is decent, assuming you have another more powerful desktop in your home, it is quite possible to use a remote desktop connection (Windows has one built-in, OSX has screensharing or something like that, Linux has it’s own thing and there are third party programs out there too) to control and playback video from your desktop using the HTPC.

      It’s quite an intriguing idea.

      • AsuraE says:

        I wasn’t specifically thinking about HTPCs that need GPU acceleration, but more HTPCs that are too weak to play the higher quality stuff (10-bit/1080p).

        I’ve tested it out using a crossover cable (fairly sure it on 100/100) between my dekstop (an i7 950 running @3.8GHz) and my oldest computer (god knows what cpu, but it’s single core and runs @ 2.1GHz), and for the most part it works well enough.

        The main problem is that there’s about 1/2 a second of lag between the video on the desktop decoding it and the desktop viewing it through remote desktop. You’d have to delay the audio in mpc by ~500ms, but like I said before, my computers networking fails hardcore so the lag may be from that.

  33. hikaru says:

    you can remove quite abit of lag if you setup a static ip address and port forward to the device and also set your firewall to accept specific ip address or mac address for it so you will reduce the lag due to closed or restricted ports.

  34. DarknessTear says:

    I wish 10Bit supported DXVA…

    • hikaru says:

      Nvidia At this time dosn’t suport 10 bit hardware decoding not does Intel/ATI DXVA 1/2 versions. However if you do get CoreAVC Pro 3.0 you will be fine since it supports Muli-core CPU decoding. If you are watching a non- 10bit encode it also will decode the the files with hardware green icon for nvidia decoding or red for DXVA decoding (ATI/AMD) and blue for software decoding.

  35. Maceart says:

    Dismissing GPU decoding is a mistake. There’s a reason that Netflix (without 10bit faggotry) takes up the most bandwith in the United States. It’s a standard, and we should all follow it.

    Seriously, why would you want to limit your audience?

    • AsuraE says:

      Who was dismissing GPU decoding?

      Btw, it’s called progress. Here’s how it works – Someone makes something better than whatever was before it -> people being to use it -> more people begin to use it -> even more people begin to use it -> it becomes a standard. If it wasn’t for progress, everyone would still be using xvid.

      Just out of curiosity, why do you come here and complain about useless shit? Do you have nothing better to do?

      • abit says:

        I have a funny feeling we’ll see mainstream support for h.265 or whatever it’s called before 10-bit encodes since only a small niche is using it (unless it’s taken up by a large scene) and then we’ll probably get 10-bit support as a by-product of h.265 adoption.

        I guess people like to forget that even before all this hi10p stuff, a lot of anime encoders didn’t care about mainstream supported profiles. So much stuff is encoded at L5.0 or L5.1, especially 1080p and some 720p, that a lot of stuff doesn’t support besides a decent PC (hell, it took a while before ATI hardware accelerated anything above L4.1) and some set-top media players have problems with anything above L4.1.

        • AsuraE says:

          lol I love it when people say that we should go back to 8-bit so they can watch it on their plastic toys, because every encode we’ve done has broken support for 90% of them (the exceptions being when we were forced to use shareraws). But still, the lulz I’ve had at the expense of the leechers :P

  36. doper says:

    Well just thought I’d say “Thanks guys”. I had to dump my PCH A210 because of this 10 bit bullshit motherfucking horse shit.

    • AsuraE says:

      Cry more :3

    • abit says:

      Another common answer: there are other groups out there that are still doing 8-bit encodes, 8-bit re-encodes or groups that have moved to 10-bit sometimes release stuff on xvid. Get your stuff from them – and it works both ways, you get to watch your stuff on a multitude of “plastic toys” as AVI and MP4 are practically universally playable containers.

      Bah. All this 10-bit whining is nothing. I can’t wait for the shitstorm that’s going to happen when fansub groups move to the next standard once a good free encoder comes out.

  37. Qymakeuc says:

    Just wanted to say fuck you people. 10p is a pain in the ass and affords no real advantages. The world would be so much better without neckbeards.

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